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Commentaires sur : Vous voulez investir dans une résidence senior ? https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/ Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:44:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.16 Par : Leyna https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-99444 Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:44:05 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-99444 Comme tu l’as dit, ce genre d’investissement n’est pas sans risque. Je ne suis pas experte, mais je pense qu’il est difficile d’avoir un nombre de locataires plus ou moins constant dans le domaine.

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Par : jean HUC https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-16718 Sat, 02 Apr 2016 20:33:37 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-16718 salut,
C’est intéressant si le loyer est garanti, c’est le cas avec certains gestionnaires !

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Par : Matthieu https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-13250 Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:24:38 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-13250 Très bon article, il faut en effet faire attention , cependant aujourd’hui je trouve que le statut LMNP en résidence de service a bien été « nettoyé », à l’époque des années 2000, ça se vendait avec la défiscalisation Demessine et c’était une catastrophe annoncée, car c’était principalement des résidences de vacances vendues dans des bleds très peu touristiques ou à 200 mètres d’altitudes.
Quand aux charges et bailleurs il faut prendre les meilleurs comme Domusvi ou Orpéa ou le Noble âge (côté en
Bourse) privilégier plutôt l’Ehpad avec unité Alzheimer. (il manque 5000 lits et la demande va exploser en 2019)
Pour la revente contrairement aux idées reçues c’est un actif trés liquide (entre 15 jours et 1 mois sur l’Ehpad, beaucoup moins sur les résidences de tourismes) et pour les charges elles sont ridicules (4,5 brut = 4.2 net de tout et net d’impôts car statut fiscal LMNP et art 605 et 606 petits et gros travaux à la charges du gestionnaire mise au normes etc …), mais ce n’était pas le cas sur des vieilles résidences séniors ou l’investisseur devait tout assumer et là ça devenait complexe, j’ai une préférence pour le médicalisé car c’est réglementé, le sénior ça tend à l’être mais pas encore …

Pour le marché secondaire il y a LB2S et LE REVENU PIERRE, c’est dans l’ancien donc de belles opportunités

Bien vérifier le bail commercial = clef de voûte de l’investissement

Les SCPI pas mal non plus mais fiscalité des revenus fonciers = TROP lourd (en nu propriété c’est mieux si TMI élevée)

LMNP = idéal pour placer du cash suite à revente ou pour ceux qui voyagent et souhaite s’établir hors de France sans rien gérer ou sans gérer tout court

A crédit = Attention car il y aura toujours une effort d’épargne … et oui à 4.5% …préférer plutôt les Immeubles de rapport 🙂 pour moi l’immeuble ça reste le plus rentable surtout si on est jeune et que l’on a accès au crédit longue durée

Je vous conseille d’écouter une vidéo de l’avocat fiscaliste Maître Jean Louis Le Boul’ch à ce sujet :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMJC6eaISr0

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Par : Pierre et vacances renouvellement de bail https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12734 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:40:19 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12734 L’investissement dans une résidence Senior peut être une très bonne alternative pour une LMNP, comme tu l’explique l’espérance de vie augmente et nous sommes depuis quelques années dans le « papy boom ». C’est vrai qu’il existe des inconvénients lié au gestionnaire pour ce type d’investissement, mais c’est une source sûre de revenus à long terme. Il faut tout de même faire attention à l’emplacement de l’investissement…

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Par : Achat maison dubai https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12380 Mon, 04 Jan 2016 10:33:57 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12380 Bonjour! A la première vue cet article me semble intéressant … une chose à éclaircir pour un de mes amis, merci du partage et une bonne continuation à vous.

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Par : Didier-Fabrice https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12325 Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:58:18 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12325 Bonjour,
Malgré mon raisonnement diamétralement opposé j’arrive aux mêmes conclusions. Contrairement à la majorité ici, personnellement je n’ai pas besoin de tout maîtriser rester au bord de la piscine à siroter des mojitos en regardant tomber les liasses de billets de 500 € me convient parfaitement…
Mais ce n’est pas avec une rentabilité maximum (ie quand tout va bien) de 4 % que ce train de vie est possible sauf à avoir un capital monstrueux.

L’autre problème pour la revente c’est que ce genre de programmes sont souvent proposés en défisc (en Censi-Bouvard) par de très bons commerciaux. Du coup pourquoi le pigeon va prendre celui du commercial plutôt que le tien quitte à avoir une rentabilité de merde autant profiter de la réduction d’impôt surtout qu’on est en France et que beaucoup de personnes sont prêtes à payer 2 € pour payer 1 € d’impôt en moins 😉

Du coup à ce niveau de rentabilité autant opter pour des SCPI tout autant passives et qui ont au moins le mérite de proposer une meilleure diversification

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Par : Guillaume https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12313 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:34:14 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12313 En réponse à Azar.

Hello Azar,
Dans le même registre je connais les parents d’une amie qui tentent en vain de revendre une semaine d’un appartement à la montagne en « time share ». La semaine en question c’est fin Avril je crois (Bref quand les remontées mécaniques sont fermées ! ).
Même pb : inondé par les charge de copro…
Je crois qu’ils sont prêts à vendre à 2 000 € et personne n’en veux !

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Par : Azar https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12307 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:14:57 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12307 Hello Guillaume!

Personnellement, ce type d’investissement ne m’intéresse pas du tout! Déjà, aucun « plaisir immobilier » dans ce type d’achat, et comme il est indiqué dans les commentaires c’est difficile à revendre, et les charges sont énormes, en cas de vacances locatives, ça peut être un vrai boulet au delà de la perte de loyer… J’ai même vu dans une émission de télé, des héritiers qui n’en pouvaient plus de payer les charges (environ 1000€ par mois, le locataire était décédé et n’en trouvaient pas d’autres) qui du coup avaient bradé l’appartement à 1€ (oui oui 1€) et qui ne trouvaient quand même pas preneur!

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Par : Guillaume https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12306 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:12:50 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12306 En réponse à Paulsrzn.

Salut Paul, tu mets le doigt sur un des principaux pièges : La revente.
Il n’est pas rare de voir des appartements dans ces résidences bradés à la revente. Pourquoi? C’est très simple, les charges de copropriétés sont souvent astronomiques…et font fuir les acquéreurs avertis (pas les pigeons 🙂 )
Il existe des sites spécialisés sur la revente de ce genre de produit.

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Par : Paulsrzn https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/vous-voulez-investir-dans-une-residence-senior/#comment-12305 Mon, 21 Dec 2015 08:48:39 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=614#comment-12305 Salut Guillaume,
j’ai des amis qui ont opté pour ce type d’investissement. A ce jour, ils paraissent satisfaits. Mais leur profil n’est pas du tout le même que le mien : ils ne voulaient surtout pas s’embêter avec la recherche de locataires, la gestion… Quitte à bénéficier d’un rendement inférieur à ce que je fais en direct. Bref, une opération qui leur prend 0 temps sauf celui de la paperasse au début.
J’ai le même profil que toi, je préfère tout contrôler. Après tout, c’est mon argent !
Un autre point qui m’interroge sur les résidences pour personnes âgées c’est la « sortie » : trouve-t-on facilement acquéreur pour un bien qui aurait par exemple 10 ans ? Les normes et les prestations dans ce type d’établissement sont très évolutives…

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