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Commentaires sur : Un Pinel ? Non merci ! https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/ Mon, 06 Jan 2020 07:26:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.16 Par : NicolasGdu13 https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113231 Mon, 06 Jan 2020 07:26:22 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113231 J’ai lu cet article avec attention. Évidemment Anglet c’est paumé donc l’exemple n’est pas le meilleur, même pour un investissement dans l’ancien. C’est plutôt un lieu où on voudrait acheter une maison vu que c’est la campagne. Mais dans le cadre d’une grande ville on rearle dans 10 ans. Je serais curieux de voir la valeur dans 10 ans des appartements ou immeubles rénovés comparée à celles du neuf (qui aura pris certes lui aussi 10 ans mais l’ancien aussi) dans une grande ville (zone Pinel A) sachant que durant toute cette période auront poussées tout autour de ce vieil immeuble de belles résidences neuves en RT 2012 et bientôt RT2020 . Et que les locataires privilégient le neuf : j’ai moi même délogé des locataires de l’immeuble de rapport d’en face venus s’installer dans mon Pinel sorti de terre. Je serais curieux de voir la valeur à la revente et si l’investisseur dans l’ancien aura réussi à récupérer le prix de ses travaux

]]> Par : nefertari93 https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113229 Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:34:21 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113229 Bonjour, j’ai acheté une maison sous Pinel gérée par l’agence Quadra. Les impôts viennent de me sortir du Pinel sous prétexte que le loyer est trop élevé de 30 € (conflit de calcul sur la terrasse). Ma question est de savoir si j’ai un nouveau locataire donc un nouveau bail puis je entrer de nouveau dans le Pinel en le faisant partir de la date de ce nouveau bail. Merci

]]> Par : LMNP https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113126 Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:10:30 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113126 En réponse à Dan.

L’idée c’est d’investir sans gros apport et de financer par le crédit. La pinel c’est de la défiscalisation avant tout et un investissement locatif. Pas un achat immobilier comme au autre.

]]> Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113079 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:33:48 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113079 En réponse à Dan.

Bonjour,
Si vous avez 790€ de loyer pour 150K investis, vous faites 6,2% de rendement brut.
Je ne sais pas quelle sera la valeur de la maison une fois construite, mais 6,2% brut même si, c’est pas « nul », c’est pas « top » non plus au vu des risques liés à la construction d’une nouvelle maison …
De plus sur 15 ans, vous allez payer 930€ de mensualités, ça fait 140€ à sortir de votre poche tous les mois … Soit 25K€ à sortir sur 15 ans… Il vaudrait mieux allonger le crédit plutôt que de le payer vous même.

]]> Par : Dan https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113078 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:20:11 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113078 bonjour,

je pose la question car j’ai l’impression que les autres personnes sur le post ne sont pas dans la même situation.

la question est la suivante : est-il intéressant de faire un Pinel pour une construction neuve ? J’ai le terrain et je ferrai construire une maison à louer. Investissement prévu 100.000 euro, valeur du terrain 50.000 euro. Crédit sur 15 ans, loyer pour une surface de 120 métrés carrés : 790€.

merci d’avance pour vos réponses.

bien cordialement

]]> Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113077 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:12:04 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113077 Cela prouve que la rentabilité est limitée de manière générale aux endroit ou vous cherchez.
C’est toujours possible a autofinancer sur 25 ou 30 ans, mais quel intérêt si ce n’est pas une résidence principale ?

Je ne peux pas donner d’exemple sur la métropole Lilloise, mais je peux en donner un à Berck sur Mer (pour rester dans le nord) :
F3 55m², acheté 50K+15K de travaux, soit 65K+5Kde notaire, soit 70K / Loué 550€/mois / soit 9,4% Brut. Financement sur 12 ans pour 534€/mois (1,6%).
Les 3 premières années de loyers ont été défiscalisés en grande partie par les travaux : 8000€ d’économies d’impots environ.

]]> Par : paul https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113076 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:27:06 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113076 En réponse à Florent.

Merci pour ta réponse

j ai beau chercher, pour un bien max autour 150 000 dans un quartier correct , pour louer et sans mettre d argent de ma poche , ben c est mission impossible sachant que 150 000 sur 15 ans ca fait 975 de mensualité .
Un bien a 150 000 ( un t2 max T3 ) ne se louera jamais ce prix .pas de defisc , CSG, impots foncier….. ca tourne a la moitié de ma poche , donc je ne vois vraiment pas comment je peux me passer de mettre de l argent de ma poche.
je serais curieux de voir un exemple concret sur la metropole lilloise ou on peut investir sans mettre de l argent de sa poche.

]]> Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113075 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:34:23 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113075 En réponse à paul.

Hello,

Dans ce cas, si il y a un coté patrimonial, et que tu risques d’habiter dedans, il faut surtout acheter quelque chose qui te plaît … (perso je n’aime pas habiter dans le neuf, mais si tu adores ça, ne prends pas de l’ancien). Mais du coup, ça fait un rendement très moyen sur l’aspect locatif, voire ça va te couter en cashflow pendant des années (ce que je te déconseille).

Je n’achète pas dans Paris (j’y vîs) pour les mêmes raisons … Dans Paris c’est beau, ça se loue bien, mais le rendement est mauvais : les prix à l’achat souvent son trop haut VS les loyers qu’on peut en tirer … A coté de Paris par contre, on garde une demande locative très forte (on n’a besoin que d’un seul locataire par appartement, pas de 15 ..), les prix sont beaucoup plus bas, et les loyers presque aussi hauts (bref le rendement est meilleur) … Aussi, le potentiel de plus-value est d’autant plus important que le prix est bas VS Paris (si on est à grande proximité).

Je suis sûr qu’à Lille la situation est comparable avec les villes à proximité.

Mais en bref, soit on achète un truc patrimonial, qu’on paye un certain prix, qui va garder sa valeur et qu’on pourra même habiter.
Soit on achète un truc à rendement pour gagner de l’argent.
C’est assez difficile de cumuler les avantages des deux.

Dans tous les cas, je te déconseille fortement dans les calculs des mensualités à payer, de prévoir d’y mettre de l’argent de ta poche, même si tu penses le récupérer à la fin : si tu as un problème et que tes revenus baissent, tu vas vivre de mauvais moments (j’en connais beaucoup …).

]]> Par : paul https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113074 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 11:59:39 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113074 Merci pour vos reponses a tous , vous pouvez y aller , pour moi toute critique est constructive.
@florent
je serai ravi de trouver mieux , mais j ai beau regarder depuis 1 an , plus pas mal de visites autour de Lille je ne trouve pas grand chose ou alors dans des villes comme Roubaix ou Tourcoing ou Armentieres la oui on trouve des apparts a moins de 100 000 avec des travaux ou des vieux trucs .Dans des localités plus prisées ( wasquehal , Bondues , Wambrechies , Roncq pour ceux qui connaissent…) impossible

je comparais Pinel vis a vis de l ancien dans ce meme secteur, du coup je n ai pas l impression de surpayer énormément par rapport a de l ancien dans ce secteur. peut etre 10% de plus dans cette meme ville , la defisc efface largement le surcout , sans compter les frais de notaires reduits.

le truc c est que je veux une ville cotée et pas investir dans des villes plus ou moins sinistrées ou certes le rendement sera peut etre plus important mais la revente plus aléatoire ( surtout en 10 ans ) .. non ? en gros je pensais privilegier un secteur tres recherché ou la fluctuation des prix du marché immobilier est moins importante ( il suffit de regarder l historique des prix immo de ces deux secteurs ) et ou il y a plus de demande que d offres pour un appart…et , ca se paye.

En gros je ne mise pas que sur le rendement mais je minimise les risques de difficulté de revente… j ai tort ?

Et accessoirement , rien ne me dit que je ne le prendrai pas pour moi dans une dizaine d année , du coup le secteur a son importance

]]> Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/pinel-merci/#comment-113073 Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:32:03 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=345#comment-113073 Mon avis, c’est que si comme dans 90% des PINELS & Co il achète le bien au dessus de la valeur, et qu’en plus il fait 5% de rendement brut…
C’est pas vraiment un super investissement VS de l’ancien au prix avec travaux dans un endroit qui ne doit pas garder mais prendre de la valeur sur 10/15 ans.

Après, je suis d’accord avec vous, si on n’a ni l’adresse, ni les chiffres précis , c’est difficile de donner un avis précis, et donc de comparer précisément.

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