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Commentaires sur : Déficit foncier : Le double effet Kiss Cool https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/ Tue, 24 Jan 2023 13:02:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.16 Par : Joel https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-113044 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:18:34 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-113044 Bonjour ,
Je fais de la location nu depuis plusieurs années et apres bcp de recherches j’ai decidé de passer un appart en meublé.
On me demande d’estimer le bien et la valeur terrain (qui n’est pas amortissable). Comment faire pour determiner cette valeur terrain vu que cela impacte le montant a amortir… Quel est (en % du prix total de l’appartement) le prix d’un terrain situé à Paris si on fait de la location LMNP ???
Merci
Joel

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Par : Verriez https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92519 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:36:53 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92519 Oui, vous avez raison, il faudrait s’entendre sur le terme « intéressant » ou « rentable ». Parfois il s’apprécie sur les revenus retirés périodiquement, parfois il ne peut s’entendre qu’au moment de la revente du bien… Tout dépend de l’objectif du placement. On a vu souvent des placements très rentables « locativement » ou fiscalement, et qui s’avéraient catastrophiques au moment de la revente (quelqu’un a dit Girardin ?)…
Il faut aussi prendre en compte des critères non financiers comme la gestion d’un chantier, les garanties sur l’achat ou la facilité de location. Certains investisseurs, notamment les primo-investisseurs, donnent autant voir plus d’importance à la « vie » de l’investissement qu’à son rendement…

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Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92516 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:25:43 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92516 En réponse à Verriez.

Bonjour.
Le souci, c’est que d’après les investisseurs expérimentés que sont certains contributeurs ici, il semble que nous n’ayons à ce jour jamais vu une offre de Pinel intéressante (quelque soit le profil de l’investisseur …).
Evidemment on peu débattre sur ce que représente le terme « offre intéressante »…

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Par : Verriez https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92509 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:59:48 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92509 Bonjour à tous, loin de moi l’idée d’insulter qui que ce soit ici et si vous avez eu cette impression, je vous prie de m’en excusez. Je trouve par ailleurs ce forum très intéressant car plus constructif que dénigrant.
Mon intervention n’avait d’autre but que de mettre en garde contre les raccourcis sans nuance CONTRE tel dispositif ou POUR tel autre.
Il n’y a pas de solution miracle et chaque profil doit être étudié individuellement, et pas uniquement sur le plan financier, d’où l’importance fondamentale du conseil… Aucun dispositif n’est gagnant s’il n’est pas utilisé intelligemment et pour certaines personnes, un Pinel sera plus judicieux qu’un DF, pour d’autres ce sera un LMNP ou un Malraux, etc…
Je ne suis pas là pour défendre le Pinel en particulier, j’ai la chance de pouvoir proposer toutes les solutions fiscales et même de les combiner !
Mais quand je lis sur ce forum : »Le Pinel sert à engraisser les promoteurs « véreux » qui profitent d’une lois de défiscalisation pour gonfler leur tarif à outrance », je peux dire honnêtement (je ne suis pas promoteur) que c’est un avis caricatural infondé. Que les promoteurs cherchent à gagner de l’argent, c’est évident (beaucoup de gens travaillent gratuitement ici ?) mais n’oubliez jamais qu’un logement neuf subit une TVA de 20%, sans laquelle le neuf ne serait pas si éloigné de l’ancien… Qui est le voleur dans l’histoire ?

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Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92279 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:40:49 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92279 En réponse à Verriez.

Le problème, c’est que vous vendez du Pinel … (cf votre site …).

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Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92273 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:21:36 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92273 En réponse à dany.

On peut faire le crédit travaux, après avoir fait les travaux 😉

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Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92268 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:13:02 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92268 En réponse à pierre.

C’est simple, on fait une grande addition de l’ensemble des revenus et des charges, donc oui les travaux d’un bien impactent les loyers d’autres biens 🙂

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Par : Florent https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-92267 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:11:38 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-92267 En réponse à Guillaume.

Bonjour,

Je connais quelqu’un qui n’impute que ses revenus fonciers, et jamais son IR (car moins intéressant pour lui). Et quand je regarde le BOFIP, je ne vois rien qui l’empêche.

« En application du 3° du I de l’article 156 du code général des impôts (CGI), les déficits fonciers afférents aux immeubles urbains ou ruraux et qui résultent de dépenses autres que les intérêts d’emprunt sont déductibles du revenu global dans certaines limites et à condition que l’immeuble concerné soit donné en location jusqu’au 31 décembre de la troisième année qui suit l’imputation du déficit sur le revenu (I).  »

http://bofip.impots.gouv.fr/bofip/661-PGP

ils disent bien « imputable » / donc = pas une obligation…
Je ne demande qu’a être contre-dit 😉

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Par : Jean-François https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-91558 Mon, 20 Feb 2017 23:19:50 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-91558 En réponse à Guillaume.

Bonjour Pierre,

Pour aborder ta question sous un autre angle, la solution ne serait-elle pas de partir sur le schéma d’une SCI soumise à l’IR dans un premier temps pour déduire les 10 700 €de déficit foncier et d’opter ensuite pour l’IS quand les effets de déduction sur les revenus fonciers ne se font plus sentir ? Guillaume ton avis sur cette remarque me serait précieux…

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Par : Cyril https://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/deficit-foncier-le-double-effet-kiss-cool/#comment-88875 Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:27:58 +0000 http://immeuble-de-rapport.fr/?p=439#comment-88875 En réponse à Guillaume.

C’est drôle, j’ai l’impression de revivre une discussion avec un ami qui s’est laissé convaincre par du Pinel dans une ville d’ile de France où je suis entrain d’acheter un immeuble à rénover.

Lui achète un F3 180Ke neuf, et moi un immeuble de 7 appartements 80ke +250Ke de travaux en rénovation.
Pour un peu moins que le prix de 2 Pinel, mes projections m’amènent sur 1500e de marge net mensuel, pendant que lui gagnera 300e d’impôt mensuel.
Cerise sur le gâteau, je serais aux même norme qu’un Pinel mais avec une certitude de qualité, sans obligation de copropriété et avec la possibilité de joindre un dispositif Boorlo ancien.

Personnellement je suis convaincu Guillaume (bon je regrette toujours que tu n’es souhaité m’aider à monter un projet 😉

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